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Jurors query snorkeler's death and Cruise Line Malicious Scare Tactics


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: Jurors query snorkeler's death and Cruise Line Malicious Scare Tactics
 
This incident, while tragic, could have been avoided and needs to be posted to alleviate a couple of very false misconceptions and increase overall awareness of the cruise ship industry's blatant scare tactics employed to maximize their profits.

First, the company involved—Frank's Watersports is not an Activity Guide recommended establishment. This was our choice and we decline to promote them primarily because of their crowded conditions, ratio of customers to guides; the places they take their inexperienced guests and general lack of respect for the marine environment.

33 guests with one guide is not adequate supervision of cruise ship passengers by at least half. With no prejudice against cruise passengers, it is a well known fact that they are typically lesser experienced travelers than overnight visitors with a greater percentage of them being older and unfit. This is not just my opinion it is statistically verifiable and substantiated by my many years in the dive industry, servicing both overnight and cruise passengers. By a factor of more than 10-1, cruise passengers require greater supervision than overnight visitors. Taking 33 inexperienced snorkelers to a 20 foot deep site in 2-4 ft. seas and strong currents with only one guide is irresponsible, at best.

The outright laughable part—if there can be any under these unfortunate circumstances, is the reference to the Carnival's "excursion safety seminar, which [sic] emphasised how important it was to schedule excursions through Carnival Cruise Lines for health and safety reasons."

The sole purpose of Carnival’s and probably many other cruise lines’ "excursion safety seminars" are nothing more than scare tactics used to maximize their profits. Cruise lines take between 40-60% commissions for all activities booked through the ship. Another scare tactic they use is telling their passengers they risk getting “left behind” if they arrange an activity direct, as opposed to booking it through the ship. Not only are both of these tactics patently false, they are in fact detrimental to the very safety and well being of the passengers they claim to be protecting.

Statistically, the overwhelming majority of cruise accidents and fatalities occur at the very places recommended by the cruise lines and not at the ones that take much smaller groups and are thus able to offer far greater supervision. Of the 20-some accidents that have occurred this year in the Cayman Islands, all but one that I am aware of occurred on a cruise sanctioned tour; the other one being a non-supervised shore dive.

As far as not getting back to the ship on time, every single operation we recommend—and not one of them have cruise ship affiliations: 1.) Do not accept passengers unless they have at least a one hour margin to ensure their timely return to the dock; and 2.) To the best of my knowledge, not a single cruise passenger ever booked on any of our recommended operations has ever missed their ship. The most difficult part is getting them there on time, because the ships intentionally delay passengers who are not booked on cruise purchased activities.

Part of the reason cruise ships are able to offer such incredible discount deals, like a week’s sail with 4 stops for only $299 or so, is that they factor in the average costs of alcohol, casino—and most importantly cruise booked activity purchases as a significant part of their overall profit. When passengers book their activities direct—to their overwhelmingly greater benefit, the ship may only break even and perhaps even lose money on those passengers.

In summary, the cruise ships could not possibly care any less about the safety and well being of their passengers once they leave the ship. Their only concern is how much profit they can generate on a per passenger basis, with activities at the various destinations constituting the single greatest part of that profit.

While I am most definitely not a proponent of frivolous litigation, I sincerely hope the estate sues the living hell out of Carnival, since the deceased was a victim of a trip sanctioned by the ship, in accordance with their practice of encouraging their passengers to "schedule excursions through Carnival Cruise Lines for health and safety reasons."

My sympathy goes out to the family of the victim of this unfortunate incident and I only hope that others may benefit from reading about it and learning the truth behind the cruise ships’ real motivations.

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Jurors questioned the captain and staff member of Frank’s Watersports before returning a verdict of death by misadventure for an excursion customer who drowned in December 2006.

Queen’s Coroner Grace Donalds conducted the inquest on 26 November into the death of Lois Aline Gales, 55, of Louisiana, USA. Mrs. Gales came to Cayman with family members aboard the cruiseship Carnival Valor.

Statements made

The coroner first noted that Mrs. Kate Ebanks, wife of Frank Ebanks who owns Frank’s Watersports, and Olabee Willis Ebanks, who captained the boat the snorkelers went out on, had made written statements shortly after the incident. Taking them separately, she asked if they adopted their statement. They did, so she read the statement of each, explained that information could be added and then the jurors could ask questions.

There was no statement from the third employee aboard, described as the tour guide.

Mrs. Ebanks’ statement said she had worked for her husband’s company 15 years. Her duty was to meet guests at the seaport and transport them to the snorkelling site named Fisherman’s Rock Reef, located at the northern head of Barkers.

She picked up 14 passengers from the Carnival Valor and took them to the marina at Safehaven, where 22 others were waiting. The total was 36 for the trip aboard the vessel Deep Quest.

Mrs. Ebanks said she gave a safety briefing over the microphone, including layout of the boat, bathroom and refreshments. She, Olabee and the tour guide, referred to as Clive, outfitted passengers with equipment. Experienced snorkelers got snorkel vests; those not experienced got life jackets. The entire briefing took about 25 minutes on the way out.

On arrival at the site, Clive and Captain Olabee got in the water with the guests. She remained on deck. About 15 minutes later it started to rain and she noticed the current picking up.

Passengers who had not gone where they were told were being pulled by the current. She noticed one female farther away than others. She called to the tour guide to go and bring her back. She threw a life ring and vest to Clive and he proceeded to go and being her back. She shouted for other snorkelers to return. Clive and two others got to the female but they were having difficulty getting her back.

Captain Olabee proceeded to start the drive over to pick up the female in distress but he could not get the boat started. He kept trying but it would not start. She got on the VHF radio, emergency channel 16, asking help from any boat in the vicinity. She also called 911.

The captain then went into the engine room and got the engine to turn over. “But when he shouted at me to turn the ignition, I realised one family member had interfered with the ignition and broke the key off.”

Eventually Clive and two guests brought the female to the boat and two passengers started CPR. The marine police came and the female was transferred to that boat.

In response to questions from jurors, Mrs. Ebanks said she didn’t know for sure if Mrs. Gales was experienced; she had both snorkel jacket and life vest.

Asked if she recommended the buddy system, she said not all the time – “We just tell them to stay with the guides” one of whom is ahead of the guests and one behind. There are also life rings tied onto the boat, each with about 100 feet of rope. During the briefing guests are told at no time should they cross the end of the life ring.

The jury foreman asked her to summarise the briefing and she did so. “We mention if they are not very good swimmers they should let one of the guides know so they can especially look out for them and stay close to them.”

Asked about the water depth at Fisherman’s Rock, she said when passengers got off the boat the water was probably 10–12 feet and shallower further away. There was no wave action or current. Other boats were out that day. In fact, when she called for help, several boats responded, but said they had people in the water so they could not come to assist.

No whistle

Mrs. Ebanks said she did not hear Mrs. Gales blow the emergency whistle on the vest; if it had been blown, Mrs. Ebanks would have heard it. The whistles can function with water in them.

Asked if there is a legal ratio for guides to guests, she replied “Not to my knowledge.”

The coroner then read Captain Olabee’s statement. He said he had 23 years experience, was a good swimmer, did not have professional training as a lifeguard but knew how to save lives in the water.

He summarised the morning trip on the Deep Quest, after which he switched off the boat so it could cool down and he could check the engine oil, alternator belt, battery. Everything was in good condition.

For the afternoon trip there were 33 customers. He had enough life jackets for everyone.

He said his destination was Barkers Cay. The wind was the same as it had been in the morning and he saw no danger. After all 33 customers had their equipment he saw them all get into the water. He then entered the water with the tour guide. Kate stayed onboard as lookout.

After the period of heavy rain, Kate called out that someone was drifting. He had to get in the boat to see where she was pointing because there were some two–foot chop waves. He saw two customers about 80–100 feet away.

Broken key

He went to start the boat, but saw the key was broken off, so he swam out to the two female customers and gave one an extra life jacket to put under the head of the other. Captain Olabee said he put his left arm through the woman’s right arm and started swimming. He got to the life ring and was pulled to the boat with the women. When he got on board he saw two females doing CPR. He was exhausted and could not do any more.

Jurors asked Captain Olabee about the broken key. He said he when he first swam back to the boat he found it broken. He said one of the guests had broken it off. He didn’t try to start the boat because it didn’t make sense; he jumped in the water and went to the women.

Asked about the tour guide, Captain Olabee said “He was there, but I took the chance to go because I know I’m a hard swimmer.” He agreed he was doing two jobs – captain and guide.

The coroner read statements from nine passengers, seven of whom were related to or acquaintances of Mrs. Gale. Their statements referred to different aspects of the incident.

Alix Martin, 17 at the time, said he went and assisted Mrs. Gale. At one stage a male came out to assist, but went back. Someone came with a rope and got them to the boat.

Mrs. Marian Daniel said she and her daughter assisted with CPR for about 30 minutes, but got no response.

Mrs. Paulette Smith said she had attended an excursion safety seminar on the cruise ship, which [sic] emphasised how important it was to schedule excursions through Carnival Cruise Lines for health and safety reasons.

Panicked

Miss Paulette acknowledged that she panicked in the water after the rain and both of Mrs. Gales’ daughters helped her.

Back on board, she saw a man with a wrench open the engine compartment. Two of her group jumped into the water to go to Mrs. Gale. Kate said the battery was dead and there was no back–up. Everyone who had a cell phone was calling for help saying they were at Fisherman’s Rock.

Finally another boat pulled alongside and a man said “We would have got to you sooner if you were where you said. This is not Fisherman’s Rock.”

Mrs. Gales’ daughter, Fitima Smith, said after the rain stopped someone told her her mother was “out there”. She swam to her mother, who was face down, her life jacket still on. The captain came out and assisted her and she told him he needed to get the boat. He never told her it was disabled.

Mrs. Gale’s other daughter, Henri Rowe, said when she saw her mother and sister about 100 feet out, she kept telling the crew to start the boat, then asked, “Do you need me to start the boat? I’ll do it myself.”

She said Alix and one male staff member went in the water to help her mom and sister.

Marine Parks Enforcement Officer Andrew Hope said he was on mobile patrol when he became aware there was an unconscious woman aboard a broken down boat with rough sea conditions.

He realised the marine vessel would have difficulty taking the woman aboard, so he went to the Morgan’s Harbour and instructed the Parchment Brothers to take him to the scene aboard their vessel Peace Maker. They agreed without hesitation. When they got to Barkers Cay, they took the woman aboard and carried her back to Morgan’s Harbour, where an ambulance staff was waiting to take her to hospital.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject:
 
That is very sad---I have noticed that there have been a number of deaths in the water this year--your point about how these happened is very scary!

When we were in the Brac, my son went on a dive to Little Cayman and was dropped off in a place with very strong current--all went well, but some people had a very hard time. I'm always relieved when he gets back from his dive trips!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Maybe it is time for some legislation.
 
This story highlights exactly why there needs to be legislation limiting the number of guests per square foot of boat and the number of guides per passengers.

This is not just a problem at the Cayman Islands. It exists throughout the Caribbean.

As far as the cruise lines go, they should be required to tell the truth about external excursions. The fact is that they ARE less expensive and they DO get people back on time. How long would any of the GC boat Captains remain in business once they get a reputation for causing cruise passengers to miss their ship?




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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:53 pm    Post subject:
 
Papa - CIWOA (Cayman Islands Watersports Owners Association) and CITA (Cayman Islands Tourism Association) have been trying for years to establish guidelines regarding the number of passengers per boat; the number of boats per day to Stingray City and Sandbar; the ratio of guides to passengers; and several other parameters designed to greatly enhance the safety and quality of snorkeling and diving, while minimizing negative impacts on the marine environment.

Every single one of the establishments we recommend are proponents of such limitations and guidelines.

Both Little Cayman and Cayman Brac have had similar restrictions in place for several years.

One major difference between Grand Cayman and the sister islands is that cruise ships only call on Grand Cayman.

The number of ships that visit Grand Cayman has increased from 2-3 per week when we first arrived about 15 years ago, to currently anywhere from 2-10 per day, while the average carrying capacity of each ship has increased by about 20%.

There were at least a few dozen days this year when the total number of anchored cruise ship passengers outnumbered the entire population of Grand Cayman.

I could go on about a multi-million dollar dolphin park that would never have survived on stayover business alone commencing development over five years ago despite overwhelming opposition but it could start to get ugly after that, not to mention overtly political. Wink


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject:
 
Joe

And I remember when there was only 1 cruise ship a week---a very exciting occurrence in those days. Interesting that you mentioned the population of the cruise ships compared to the island population---I was just thinking about that........however do all those people fit on the island. It must be shoulder to shoulder in town on the big cruise ship days----where do that many people find a place to eat? It boggles my mind.

I definitely do not want Cayman to be another Florida with all the fancy attractions---that's not what we love about Cayman.

Shelly :-)




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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Dolphin Park & other politics
 
Joe,

I am not sure how many other visitors agree with me but I certainly agree with the 68% of Caymanites that the Dolphin park is wrong. You have my pledge that I will NOT visit it.

Cruise ships. Yes. I had a bit of a difficult time planning our trip as I planned it around when the ships would be in port. I have been CLOSELY watching the webcams on the island and I do NOT want to be anywhere near Georgetown when they are in port!!




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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject:
 
Not visiting the Dolphin Park either.

As a South African I believe all animals should be left in their natural habitat.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:56 pm    Post subject: Have a good vacation, Shelly!!
 
Have a great flight and a wonderful time!




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